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User: argument_clinic (posted by evilgrins)
Date: August 13th, 2008
Subject: complaints from the clinicly brain dead
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10:13 AM 8/12/08 · I forget the name of the organization but something or other representing the handicapped of the United States are planning on boycotting and demanding changes be made to Tropical Thunder because apparently it's a massive insult to anyone that's handicapped. The people that made the movie are refusing to make any changes and frankly, I can't see why they should.

Got this off radio 740 AM KCBS if you wanna poke around for online resources.

Not having seen the movie as yet, but having caught virtually every trailer...I'm a bit stumped. The only person I've seen with any disability is played by Nick Nolte, in a relatively minor role as the man that wrote the script that got the "movie" started to begin with. He doesn't seem that dim. The example used in the report was Robert Downey Jr saying "I'm a dude disguised as a dude that's playing another dude" which I'm assuming this association is using as sort of stab at being metnally defective...

...which doesn't make sense as the guy's role is an Australian playing an African American role.

Maybe I'm not supposed to understand these things.
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Pretty eyes, pirate smile
User: prokrstn8r
Date: August 13th, 2008 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Ok, so the premise of Tropic Thunder is 3 actors placed in a wartorn jungle to film a movie, but it turns out there is no movie, and everything is real...not unlike 3 Amigos.

Ben Stiller's character in it, prior to committing to the jungle movie, supposedly rose to fame for playing a mentally challenged person in a previous movie. Which set up a metric plethora of "r" bombs throughout Tropic Thunder's script...something disability advocacy groups find unacceptible.
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Doppleganger
User: evilgrins
Date: August 13th, 2008 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
There's another film starring Larry the Cable Guy of troops deployed to Iraq that wind up in Mexico that comes to mind too.

Even if Stiller's character did that this hardly seems grounds for the kinda negativity being deployed at the film.
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Pretty eyes, pirate smile
User: prokrstn8r
Date: August 13th, 2008 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
So, if it weren't people calling Ben Stiller's character a "retard"....if it were people calling Robert Downey Jr.'s character an n word, and in the context of the movie, it was treated as something that's ordinary and even acceptible to do, would that bother you?
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Doppleganger
User: evilgrins
Date: August 13th, 2008 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The "n" word bothers me no matter when I hear it or who's using it. I'm the same with all racist terminology. Not sure it's quite the same thing...

...though "crippled" or other such words scarcely register on me as some people take offense by them even though they're not actually bad or negative words. I'm not sure how I feel about "retard" per se.
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Pretty eyes, pirate smile
User: prokrstn8r
Date: August 13th, 2008 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I would argue that it IS the same thing, because disparaging hate language applied liberally under the context that it is an acceptible thing to do is not ok.

And technically the word "retard" is officially considered unacceptible and insulting in all the same ways racist terms are.
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Doppleganger
User: evilgrins
Date: August 13th, 2008 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Crippled has been given much the same conotation...but largely only by those that are. The word has no actual negativity to it, simply meaning those that are physically disabled. It's just evolved into negativism, for some reason or other much how handicapped also became known as being bad after a time.

When you see yourself as persecuted when you so much aren't, you see it coming at you from all angles.

I can't think of a single racist term that didn't start out as negative and insulting from the get go.
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Pretty eyes, pirate smile
User: prokrstn8r
Date: August 13th, 2008 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"Crippled" is not as widely considered inappropriate as "retard."

And i tend to think you're wrong about all racist terms originating from hate, but at present, I'm refraining from researching the etymology of various hate language while at work.
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Pretty eyes, pirate smile
User: prokrstn8r
Date: August 13th, 2008 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I would liken "crippled" to "black" and "retard" to the n word.

All four are technically politically incorrect, but insulting and considered offensive to varying degrees.
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Doppleganger
User: evilgrins
Date: August 14th, 2008 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I've never considered Black to be offensive...but then I'm a Black American.
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Pretty eyes, pirate smile
User: prokrstn8r
Date: August 15th, 2008 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
A lot of people don't, but technically speaking, it's politically incorrect.
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